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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 19, 2012 11:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: David Lemieux recap

For those who might not have time to watch Lemieux chat for an hour in his recent videostream on dead.net, this was some of the news he shared:

- Dave's Picks will concentrate more on complete shows, and will be released in plastic CD cases instead of the cardboard sleeves.
- They haven't decided what the bonus disc for this year's subscription will be, but either May or July '74.
- A fall '94 release is very unlikely, as he feels that era is not worthy of whole-show release. (Spring '93 is the last tour he really likes.) Mentioned that the series is not called "Dave's Faves" because many picks will actually not be his faves... He mentioned that, for instance, 1983-84 are not years he likes for personal listening (which explains to me why '83 is such a rare year in his Taper's Section!) - but if they were considered for official release, shows like 10-21-83 or 10-12-84 might get picked.
- He confirmed yet again that May 7/8/9 '77 are not in the Vault, hence can't be released. (And that the band didn't record any shows themselves between July & Dec '70.)
- The "Sunshine Daydream" Veneta '72 film is still being negotiated with the filmmakers (who own the film). Discussions have been going on for years with no conclusion imminent, so "don't hold your breath."
- The Vault has an ongoing process of making high-res digital backups of their tapes, but it's slow going, and they're focusing on the digital tapes from the '80s first, since they're more fragile & deteriorate faster than the older, sturdier analog tapes which are still holding up well.
- There are no plans for a new video release, but they will have a 14-DVD box set of all the old View from the Vaults, with bonus material like So Far and Backstage Pass. There are over 125 shows on video from the late era, so plenty of choices for future video releases.
- As far as multitracks (as opposed to 2-tracks), of course those generally only exist when the band was recording for an album, so just from a few select tours. (Strangely though, Veneta '72 was 16-track.) Said there were about 17 multitrack shows from early '71. All the Warfield & Radio City shows from 1980 were recorded, but many of them erased later on.
- They have no plans for making Vault shows downloadable on demand anytime soon; he cited sound quality issues, that they don't want anything out there that doesn't meet their standards.
- All the Dead's albums are being reissued on vinyl soon.
- And he tells the story again of discovering Bear's '66 reels for the Rare Cuts album. (Which, ironically, has long been out-of-print on CD, though I'm glad to see you can buy the MP3 album now.)
- Most exciting for me, he mentioned that there are several unheard Dark Stars in the Vault from '68 & "possibly '69." I think he knows what's circulating, so even a vague mention that there are more mid-'68 shows in the Vault is quite tantalizing.

ALSO -
The new Rolling Stone article on the Dead said: "Later this year, the band will release a multidisc box set with multiple shows from one tour."
Now THAT'S news! Especially coming so soon after E72. Possibly Rolling Stone's misinformed; then again, they spilled the beans on the E72 set before it was announced at dead.net... [Most likely it will be one of those 3-show sets, I think.]

This post was modified by light into ashes on 2012-01-20 07:32:02

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 20, 2012 7:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: David Lemieux recap

Rhino has released a 1 boxed set each year so I don't think it is a huge surprise that we would see another in 2012. A surprise would be another megabox.

Winterland '74 and Ark '69 come immediately to mind when thinking about 3 night stands that would make nice releases. Although why limit to a 3 night stand? How about the Orpheum run of '76? Seems like there have been rumors of a release for a long time on this. Even a rumor that they asked Charlie Miller not to release new transfers at one point. Since you mentioned the multi-track recordings, i guess it would not be completely out of reason to release the entire Fillmore '71 run. They have multiple releases from the Fillmore West '69 run at this point, so why not put out the whole thing? Unlike Stanley Theater '72 there isn't even a single full show from this run released. Given how nice Charlie's last transfer of the run sound, i am not sure it would be a huge seller.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 20, 2012 10:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: David Lemieux recap

True, it's not a huge surprise, but a pleasant one, and proof that their sales must not be doing too badly if they keep issuing these box sets on schedule. Heck, maybe they sell better than the Road Trips/Dick's Picks stuff?

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 20, 2012 10:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: David Lemieux recap

That was my thought about the EuroBox. Maybe it actually sold better than the single releases. It was equal to about 23-24 single RT releases in both disc number and cost and we know they sold at least 7200 of them. We know in the pre-Rhino days the sold out 10000 of the Fillmore '69 box. Yet they could not sell 12000 Dave's Picks Subscriptions. Does size actually matter to deadheads?

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Jan 20, 2012 11:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: complete unedited releases

Its not size you see, with those complete releases, no one decided which of these shows were "appropriate", they released them all - boogers, scabs and all. That is the way to go.

I'd buy a Greek Theater box set in a NYC second.

thank God for the Archive!

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Poster: DeadATL Date: Jan 20, 2012 5:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: David Lemieux recap

The missing shows from 1977 were either recorded by the band and lost or not recorded at all, correct? However, there are soundboards circulating so quality recordings are available and, presumably, the band owns the copyright to that music. So, theoretically, could the Dead take a soundboard and “prepare” it to a level of quality worthy of a commercial release? Just a thought experiment, but I’m curious nonetheless.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 20, 2012 10:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: David Lemieux recap

He said a bunch of tapes from '76-79 are missing from the Vault, though they were recorded. Whoever has the masters hasn't wanted to return them, apparently... (Some of these could be Betty Boards, which were of course auctioned to the public back in the '80s since the Dead didn't bother to acquire them at the time.)
Theoretically, someone like Charlie Miller who usually works with DAT transfers from master reels is already issuing lots of release-quality shows. They're just not on store shelves, and they're free!

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Jan 20, 2012 11:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: the problem...

""A fall '94 release is very unlikely, as he feels that era is not worthy of whole-show release. (Spring '93 is the last tour he really likes.) ""

""He mentioned that, for instance, 1983-84 are not years he likes for personal listening (which explains to me why '83 is such a rare year in his Taper's Section!) - but if they were considered for official release, shows like 10-21-83 or 10-12-84 might get picked.""

This is the problem with the whole system. I would spend a lot more cash on these releases if I got to pick which shows I buy. Not chosen by someone with an attitude of era superiority. I do not want the sour pusses of the world deciding which Dead shows are worthy of my purchasing and listening and which are not. That determination needs to be up to the end listener. Make all the top quality recordings available for pay download and let the customers decide which are worthy of their music $$$.

I don't care a spit if someone else doesn't listen to a certain era for personal pleasure - I feel sorry for them for missing a lot of great music due to a closed mind. No one knows more than I do what GD music I want to hear. My money gets spent on things I want, not things that others determine are "good enough".

When I listen here it is 90% to shows I was at (200+ from 1980-1995). I enjoy the other stuff immensely, but the ones I attended are the ones that really get me going and willing to spend my hard earned $$$. and I don't think I am alone in this.

You can have the series things available as a pointer towards the music that is considered "of high enough musical quality". Sell the fancy packaging etc. For me its all about my listening pleasure and that means the shows I want to hear...likely the ones I attended whether or not someone who didn't get to experience it likes it or not.

Sell what the people want.

This post was modified by Little Sense on 2012-01-20 19:13:20

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Jan 21, 2012 5:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the problem...

Point well taken as vast majority of heads want a connection to shows that attended

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jan 21, 2012 12:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: David Lemieux recap

"- Most exciting for me, he mentioned that there are several unheard Dark Stars in the Vault from '68 & "possibly '69." I think he knows what's circulating, so even a vague mention that there are more mid-'68 shows in the Vault is quite tantalizing."

Now these are the kinds of things I live to hear. I'm pretty sure they're sitting on a lot of stuff from '69, but the thought of 68 as well? Nice.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 21, 2012 1:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: David Lemieux recap

The exact wording, vague as it is...

Q: "Any good unheard Dark Star performances I can look forward to?"
DL: "Yeah, many, so stay tuned. There actually aren't too many - I think you've probably heard a lot of the Dark Stars that we have; but there definitely are some Dark Stars from '68, possibly '69, that you might not know or be too familiar with. It's the '68 ones that I find really interesting....that transitional era for Dark Star, from February '68 to October '68, we don't have a lot, but we do have some cool things, that personally I would like to see some more [released] - that's one of my favorite eras."

I would have expected him to say something like, "we have a bunch from '69 but they're in poor cassette quality, not up to release standards etc" - but instead he refers to precisely the era in mid-'68 where we have few shows circulating. The shows from August or October are quite well-known, so I don't think he's referring to those.
Definitely raises hopes that they have more stray '68 reels like the 6/14/68 one they put on the Fillmore West bonus disc - although, chances of CD release for obscure/unknown '68 shows must be very slim. They'd probably do 10/12/68 (which he refers to a couple times in the chat) instead - they've mostly tended to release already-famous shows lately.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jan 21, 2012 5:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: David Lemieux recap

Thanks for all this as always and is it true you never saw the band?!

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 21, 2012 7:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: David Lemieux recap

It's true. Only saw them on TV at the time, and hated it.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Jan 20, 2012 6:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: David Lemieux recap

Many thanks for this recap, LiA! I had wondered what he had to say, but just as you say didn't feel like investing the time. Your summary is just what I needed.

I hope that when he says they're considering May 1974 for the bonus disc, he means the epochal 5-21-74 Playing in the Band. I've long longed to hear that in a commercial release.

I'm glad to hear they at least considered calling it Dave's Faves.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 20, 2012 10:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: David Lemieux recap

Well, he said 5-19-74 was in consideration as a whole-show release, so that won't be a bonus. I hope they wouldn't choose the 5-21-74 Playing as the subscription-only bonus disc, though...